Listen Up - The Superdels are deciding

As an HOMAGE to a diarist who loves to call upon the superdelegates to LISTEN UP and as a means of updating everyone about what the superdelegates have done lately, here's some information:

This weekend's delegate choices
Obama 7
Clinton 0

Obama's superdelegate % over time
29%     January 13
40%     February 17
46%     March 16
48%     April 27
53%     May 25

Number of delegates needed to clinch
[under the rules adopted by the DNC, including Clinton staffer Harold Ickes]
Obama     49
Clinton   246

Look's like there's been a whole lot of deciding going on!

All data from: http://demconwatch.blogspot.com/



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It must be maddening. (2.00 / 3)

The louder the calls for changing the rules midstream,

the more the superdelegates come out for Obama.

What's a die-hard to do?


should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?
by Firewall on Mon May 26, 2008 at 11:34:54 PM EST

Re: Listen Up - The Superdels are deciding (2.00 / 3)

Listen Up, Gang!  


by Deadalus on Mon May 26, 2008 at 11:35:01 PM EST

I didn't even get in that diary (2.00 / 3)

that person can say whatever she feels like saying.

Things are certainty different in the real world.

Her diaries should become mini echo chambers.

I'm not wasting my time on them.

They don't even make sense anymore.


We want to see Ivana [Trump] because we are so desperate in Alaska for any semblance of glamour and culture. - Sarah Palin
by spacemanspiff on Mon May 26, 2008 at 11:40:23 PM EST
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Re: I didn't even get in that diary (2.00 / 3)

Soon they'll be advocating Hillary receive 100% of the delegates and votes from Michigan (yes, including those for Uncommitted).

Tonight, the official line has shifted from giving her the portion she "won" in a sham election to giving her the lion's share in said sham.

We're less than a week from total advocacy. The reasoning will probably be that the only name left on the ballot should receive all votes and delegates cast in said "election".


should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?
by Firewall on Mon May 26, 2008 at 11:43:17 PM EST
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Re: I didn't even get in that diary (2.00 / 2)

let them whine, we will be here fighting them all the way to the convention if needed.


I would say at this point we're starting to see a little desperation on the part of the woman who I support... NY Governor Paterson
by obamaovermccain on Mon May 26, 2008 at 11:45:11 PM EST
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Re: I didn't even get in that diary (none / 0)

I think the rules committee should double the delegates from FL and MI and then award 200% of them to Hillary as a punishment to Obama.  He's trying to enslave the populations there.  Just what I've heard, anyways.



Lost rate and rec for issuing a '1' to a trollish comment. The troll, not so much.

by map on Tue May 27, 2008 at 02:17:39 AM EST
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Re: Listen Up - The Superdels are deciding (1.60 / 5)

The trend is extremely clear.  It's hard to make a fact based argument against this data.  I'm interested if someone will try to argue against this trend based on the merits of the analysis.


Obama/Adam West or Bruce Campbell or Lucy Lawless '08
by Purple with Green Stipes and Pink Polka Dots Dem on Mon May 26, 2008 at 11:40:53 PM EST

Re: Listen Up - The Superdels are deciding (2.00 / 2)

you would be suprised


I would say at this point we're starting to see a little desperation on the part of the woman who I support... NY Governor Paterson
by obamaovermccain on Mon May 26, 2008 at 11:44:09 PM EST
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Re: Listen Up - The Superdels are deciding (1.00 / 2)

I'm fully expecting an emotional response that doesn't address the analysis, but I'm curious if someone will try to take on an almost insurmountable task, and make a fact based argument.  


Obama/Adam West or Bruce Campbell or Lucy Lawless '08
by Purple with Green Stipes and Pink Polka Dots Dem on Mon May 26, 2008 at 11:47:35 PM EST
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Re: Listen Up - The Superdels are deciding (2.00 / 1)

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I would say at this point we're starting to see a little desperation on the part of the woman who I support... NY Governor Paterson
by obamaovermccain on Mon May 26, 2008 at 11:43:04 PM EST

Re: Listen Up - The Superdels are deciding (none / 0)

Right now, the superdelegates are just like lemmings.  Jumping off the cliff....

I really don't think they are in tune with what the voters want.  They are trying to end the race to prevent a chaotic convention - pure and simple.  Meanwhile, the voters continue to speak...


by mikes101 on Mon May 26, 2008 at 11:47:04 PM EST

Re: Listen Up - The Superdels are deciding (2.00 / 4)

As in Obama winning 33 of the 51 contests?


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Mon May 26, 2008 at 11:49:09 PM EST
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Re: Listen Up - The Superdels are deciding (2.00 / 1)

His 31 contests and $4 will buy you a cup of coffee at Starbucks.  Seriously - how can you not nominate the Democratic winner of NY, PA, OH, CA, NJ, MA, TX, and likely MI and FL?  I mean, please - let's go back to September 2007 - if I gave you that fact pattern and told you we were going to nominate someone else based on wins in places like CO and Mississippi, your response would be "You have GOT to be shitting me."


by mikes101 on Mon May 26, 2008 at 11:52:13 PM EST
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Re: Listen Up - The Superdels are deciding (none / 0)

A minute ago, you said the voters were speaking. Now it sounds like you don't like what they're saying!


should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?
by Firewall on Mon May 26, 2008 at 11:54:25 PM EST
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Re: Listen Up - The Superdels are deciding (none / 0)

Hillary is still winning contests, and is likely to win the popular vote... If our system had made any sense and was a strict 1 person 1 vote system, I have no doubt that Hillary would come out ahead - because several of Obama's victories come from biased unrepresentative caucuses.  As it is, I still believe she may come out ahead.  So, the trend of superdelegates coming out in favor of Obama doesn't really make any sense when Hillary has been winning and may soon overtake him in the popular vote, other than politicians (or lemmings as I've called them) want this thing over to prevent a chaotic convention.


by mikes101 on Mon May 26, 2008 at 11:59:44 PM EST
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Re: Listen Up - The Superdels are deciding (none / 0)

You knew the rules when this started, and so did Clinton. It's not Obama or the system's fault her campaign blew a 100 SD lead and all the name recognition 8 years in the WH could buy.

Obama will be our nominee!


should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?
by Firewall on Tue May 27, 2008 at 12:03:25 AM EST
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Re: Listen Up - The Superdels are deciding (none / 0)

When you win a game, and all people are talking about is how they are going to change the rules so that this NEVER happens again, I'd say you better count your blessings that you won.


by mikes101 on Tue May 27, 2008 at 12:12:12 AM EST
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yes, losers often whine about the refs (none / 0)

that doesn't mean you should believe them when they claim they wuz robbed.
by JJE on Tue May 27, 2008 at 01:14:56 AM EST
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Re: Listen Up - The Superdels are deciding (none / 0)

By 'all people', you mean four or five people on mydd?


by french imp on Tue May 27, 2008 at 08:33:54 AM EST
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Re: Listen Up - The Superdels are deciding (none / 0)

They're speaking in tongues only mikes101 understands.

Protip: reason backwards from the premise that Our Girl is the nominee.


Donate to Hillary Now!
by guazatragicness on Tue May 27, 2008 at 12:49:04 AM EST
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Re: Listen Up - The Superdels are deciding (2.00 / 1)

You must be new mike.  These talking points are very last week.


We want to see Ivana [Trump] because we are so desperate in Alaska for any semblance of glamour and culture. - Sarah Palin
by spacemanspiff on Mon May 26, 2008 at 11:55:15 PM EST
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Re: Listen Up - The Superdels are deciding (none / 0)

Hehe - they are very November 2008 - sorry!  I'll vote for Obama, just like I voted for Kerry, just like I voted for Gore.  And I believe the outcome is going to be similar.  I believe both Clinton and Obama supporters strongly believe in their candidate.  But I have yet to hear a convincing argument of why Obama is the stronger GE candidate, which is what I, as a Democrat, desperately want to see this November.


by mikes101 on Tue May 27, 2008 at 12:02:31 AM EST
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that's bizarre... (none / 0)

i suppose it's possible -- i couldn't tell you who the american idol star is.  but since you've missed it, here it is:

* barack obama does not enter the general election campaign with historic highs in his negatives.  no non-incumbent has ever won election to the presidency with the highs in their negatives that hillary has.

* barack obama does not share hillary's divisiveness problem: dividing the democratic party while uniting the republican party.  we can argue all we want about whether barack's candidacy will continue to divide democrats.  but there is no argument that he does not unite republicans and conservatives as hillary would have.  this is especially helpful, given the fact that the gop is demoralized and confused.  why help them out?

* barack obama expands our electoral base.  yes, hillary has attempted the same thing (and she theoretically had the same appeal) -- but the difference is that a lot more voters are being registered and energized by barack's candidacy than by hillary's.  in pennsylvania, it was a 3 to 1 difference (i'm not familiar with exact numbers elsewhere).

* barack obama appeals to the media and garners largely favorable media coverage.  why should republicans be the only ones?  why shouldn't the democratic nominee get generally favorable press?  is there a rule that democrats have to nominate someone who will be hammered by their media coverage?

* barack obama has proven that he can compete at the presidential level.  unlike hillary's, the obama campaign put together a realistic campaign plan, mobilized it's voters and won elections.  none of the missteps on strategy, message, organization, etc.  i think we can all admit that no one has worked harder than hillary herself has in the last 7 weeks.  but the obama campaign has been more consistent and even keel.

* barack obama is a proven voter getter.  unlike hillary, obama has actually led his state in winning the highest number of votes cast when he was on the ballot.  while hillary has been a consistent underperformer, barack is a notable overachiever.  we don't need another underperformer (like kerry) heading up the democratic ticket.  (i'll gladly concede that hillary has a lot of potential.)

* barack obama has proven to have built a better campaign organization.

* barack obama has adjusted his campaign to the 21st century (something that i doubt hillary will ever be able to do) and has successfully integrated both new media formats and citizen-activists participation into his campaign.

* barack obama allows for a strong message contrast with mccain.  more to the point, republicans do not have 16 years worth of video on obama showing him saying one thing and then saying another.

* barack obama is optimistic and appeals to the sunny american optimism that is always successful at this level.

* barack obama's campaign team is united and works well together.

etc.  the advantages that barack has over hillary are so numerous -- and so self-evident -- that it's hard to imagine how you missed them (unless, of course, you are a member of hillary's cult of personality)...


"Anyone who voted for me or caucused for me has so much more in common with Senator Obama than Senator McCain." -- Hillary Clinton
by bored now on Tue May 27, 2008 at 09:57:15 AM EST
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Re: Listen Up - The Superdels are deciding (none / 0)

whats wrong Mike, you don't like democracy?  The fact that people voting other than your candidate keeps you up at night?  Would you like to get rid of the states that voted for Obama?


I would say at this point we're starting to see a little desperation on the part of the woman who I support... NY Governor Paterson
by obamaovermccain on Mon May 26, 2008 at 11:57:37 PM EST
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Re: Listen Up - The Superdels are deciding (2.00 / 1)

Apropos of your sig line, I thought you'd find this interesting:

"A friend of mine works in state government in New York. Staunch Clinton supporter. We've been fighting over this race for months. It got so bad that we had to stop talking about politics completely , otherwise  we would have ceased to be friends.  Last night at dinner, out of nowhere, she asked me, "Did you hear what Paterson said?" (Basically the governor on National Public Radio indicated that Senator Clinton was now acting out of "desperation.") My friend said -- "That was huge. The governor signaled to everyone in New York that this race is now over and we need to move on."
http://ruralvotes.com/thefield/?p=1269#c omment-43860


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Tue May 27, 2008 at 12:03:46 AM EST
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Re: Listen Up - The Superdels are deciding (none / 0)

interesting!  Thanks!!!


I would say at this point we're starting to see a little desperation on the part of the woman who I support... NY Governor Paterson
by obamaovermccain on Tue May 27, 2008 at 12:11:09 AM EST
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Re: Listen Up - The Superdels are deciding (2.00 / 1)

As long as we have the Electoral College, which is undemocratic, and 1 person 1 vote, I believe the Democratic nomination process should be equally undemocratic.  That is - 1 person 1 vote - everywhere.  And winner take all in each state - this seems to have worked well for the Republicans in picking their strongest candidate for a GE.  Just my humble opinion.  

As for 2008's nominee, I agree that "rules are rules" and we can't change the game right now.  But I do believe that our current rules and delegate allocations are leading us to pick a candidate that is a weaker GE candidate.


by mikes101 on Tue May 27, 2008 at 12:07:57 AM EST
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Re: Listen Up - The Superdels are deciding (2.00 / 2)

I think I've just figured out Hillary's exit plan:

She won't ever acknowledge having lost the nomination. She'll "choose to take her name off the ballot," thus allowing her to claim later on that it was an unfair election.

Man, I loves me some political strategery!


Ceci n'est pas une <<snark>>
by ipsos on Mon May 26, 2008 at 11:47:56 PM EST

Re: Listen Up - The Superdels are deciding (2.00 / 1)

I wouldn't put it past her, but that would be political suicide.  Every elected offical would turn on her if she did that.


I would say at this point we're starting to see a little desperation on the part of the woman who I support... NY Governor Paterson
by obamaovermccain on Mon May 26, 2008 at 11:49:00 PM EST
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Re: Listen Up - The Superdels are deciding (2.00 / 4)

I think Al of The Field has nailed it:

If the Clinton campaign felt it already had the votes on the DNC Rules & Bylaws Committee to prevent any penalty whatsoever to the Michigan and Florida Democratic Parties when the committee meets on Saturday, then its surrogates wouldn't be out there making wild and crazy proposals about giving Senator Clinton delegates based also on the 45 percent of Michiganders that voted against her...

(Field Note: The side that is quietest before a hearing is the side that is likely to get a favorable outcome.)

If the Clinton campaign really thought that the Credentials Committee that will convene on June 29 would realistically overturn the Rules & Bylaws Committee (hint: both have the same chairpersons), then it wouldn't be engaging in so much brinksmanship over Saturday's upcoming session...

If Senator Clinton had really wanted the vice presidential nomination she would have guarded her words much more carefully last Friday..

If by "taking it to the convention" Senator Clinton could hold on to (and not anger) every one of her delegates for the next three months, and realistically win over 80 percent of the remaining superdelegates, her people wouldn't need to be threatening to do so. The threat tips their hand: they are bluffing out of weakness...

If they were bargaining from a position of strength, Bill Clinton wouldn't be playing the victim card so loudly, as he did yesterday in South Dakota, complaining about his candidate supposedly "being treated so disrespectfully."


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Mon May 26, 2008 at 11:56:19 PM EST

I think she'll suspend her campaign... (none / 0)

...until the Convention. At which point, the nominee will be formally anointed.

Until the Convention, know this reality: Obama is the presumptive nominee; he's the likely nominee; but, he's not the official nominee.

And, up until the Convention, the delegates--Super and Pledged--may change their vote as they wish (as we've already witnessed, to date, too).

So, to me, June 4th is just another date for more spin that doesn't change a damn thing. Everything I'm saying herein is truth.

It is what it is. Call it what you wish. But, I speak the truth. And, if you don't think this Party needs two or three months to reconcile and come together, then you're kidding yourselves.

The public will be focused on the Olympics for the interim, besides. As with all significant campaigns, focus doesn't return until around the Labor Day weekend, just after the Dem Convention, anyway.

This is the closest Democratic Primary campaign in generations. It is worthy of a protracted calendar, perhaps even up to the Convention, itself.

And, them's "the rules"!


by bobswern on Mon May 26, 2008 at 11:59:02 PM EST

Re: I think she'll suspend her campaign... (none / 0)

And then what?


by Shaun Appleby on Tue May 27, 2008 at 12:25:16 AM EST
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Re: Listen Up - The Superdels are deciding (none / 0)

Bush won 30 states too, the states where no one lives. I am so SICK of the states won argument, reminds me of the GOP post 2000


by rossinatl on Tue May 27, 2008 at 12:08:48 AM EST

what a dumb ass way to elect a president (none / 0)

i will gladly leave this dumb ass party if obama's the nominee...


by nikkid on Tue May 27, 2008 at 12:08:52 AM EST

i will stomp my feet and hold my breath (2.00 / 1)

that'll show 'em.
by JJE on Tue May 27, 2008 at 12:36:35 AM EST
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Re: what a dumb ass way to elect a president (none / 0)

You're supposedly 42 years old- I see the maturity level never reached that, apparently.


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Tue May 27, 2008 at 01:52:15 AM EST
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Re: what a dumb ass way to elect a president (none / 0)

Does that mean you are leaving on June 4th, when he's the presumptive nominee, or after the convention when he's official?



Lost rate and rec for issuing a '1' to a trollish comment. The troll, not so much.

by map on Tue May 27, 2008 at 02:24:32 AM EST
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