McCain pulls ads from PUMA sites, citing rightwing racism

Ha!

McCain campaign pulls ads from some anti-Obama web sites


WASHINGTON (CNN) - John McCain's campaign will stop advertising on several pro-Hillary Clinton Web sites that have attacked Barack Obama for being unpatriotic and, in one case, compared the Democratic nominee-in-waiting to Adolf Hitler. . . .

One Web site, called Stop-Obama.org, is a group blog comprised of disaffected Clinton supporters, some of whom are now supporting McCain. Three different banners ads, one of which featured McCain standing side-by-side with Sen. Joseph Lieberman, were running on the site until Monday.

The stuff those noble progressives in PUMA say about Obama below the fold.

A recent post on the blog outlined the "simple parallels" between Obama and Hitler, and accused Obama's audiences of having the same cult mentality that characterized followers of the German dictator.

Yes, he's a gay African communist Muslim Nazi.

McCain's ads have also shown up on a pro-Clinton Web site named "Obama WTF" that accuses Obama of being "spineless," having "communist influences," "courting Jew haters" and being "in the pocket of America haters."

Nah, no ratfucking going on with this movement.

SavagePolitics.com, another anti-Obama site that has been targeted with McCain ads, has called Obama a "bold faced liar, a thief, a sexist and a racist."

Sadly, this talk is more typical than atypical of PUMA types.

Remember that the biggest PUMA blog was founded by someone who was banned from Daily Kos for posting a virulently Islamaphobic diary and who refers to Barack Obama as the "Affirmative Action candidate.".

And, of course, No Quarter is an offshoot of the Ku Klux Klan, as is Hillaryis44.org.

But, other than that, the notion that PUMA is founded on rightwing hate and bigotry is a pure myth.



Display:


Ad pulling (2.00 / 1)

Sounds good to me. There's gotta be Terms of Service on mainstream advertising services. Perhaps we should call them on it. I mean, they could always just stop being racist and hateful, but from what I've seen, they don't have it in them. They have a need to be hateful.


If you're being chased by an angry bull and then you notice you're also being chased by a swarm of bees, it doesn't really change things. Just keep on running.
by vcalzone on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 05:58:01 PM EST

Hatred is the lifeblood of the (1.75 / 12)

PUMAs.  They have no purpose other than to hate Barack Obama.  In that sense, they're a pure hate group.


by Geekesque on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 05:59:08 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hatred is the lifeblood of the (2.00 / 0)

Everything that O'Reilly accuses Kos of being. What's the attitude on Kos now? Are the people still posting as non-Pumas particularly vitriolic?


If you're being chased by an angry bull and then you notice you're also being chased by a swarm of bees, it doesn't really change things. Just keep on running.
by vcalzone on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 06:22:27 PM EST
[ Parent ]

About 95% of the folks (2.00 / 3)

at Kos are positively disposed towards Hillary now (Bill still has some work to do).  You'll get the occasional idiot who bashes her, but the reaction is very negative to that stuff.


by Geekesque on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 06:34:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Yeah, right. (1.50 / 6)

Bill has to do work!! After being accused of racism by a bunch of thugs.

Sort of like battered woman having to apologize to her abusive partner.

Meanwhile, from the politics of so-called unity, we have this NYTimes article:

How dare a black representative NOT support Obama fast enough?


I have yet to see what [Obama] has done to take the highest office in the land. He is no Martin Luther King. --Helen Thomas
by ghost 2 on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 08:56:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Yes, we know you PUMAteers resent (1.85 / 7)

the way those ungrateful black voters behave.

Go back to No Quarter.


by Geekesque on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 09:58:45 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Yes, we know you PUMAteers resent (1.00 / 3)

It's NOT about voters.  

It's about the machine, and turing the MLK principle on its head.  

Yes, any AA delegate should have looked at the color of BO's skin and not the content of his character.  Otherwise, they'd be primaried.

Lefty blogs don't even discuss this.  Never mind ... Frankly, I am used to them losing their principles one by one.  


I have yet to see what [Obama] has done to take the highest office in the land. He is no Martin Luther King. --Helen Thomas
by ghost 2 on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 10:47:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]

So, you're condemning a people (2.00 / 3)

whose #1 obsession is the now completed primary race?

Okay then.


by Geekesque on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 10:48:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: So, you're condemning a people (1.50 / 2)

your HR abuse has been reported


by zerosumgame on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 10:50:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]

OMG!!1! (2.00 / 2)

it's CENSORSHIP!!  ZEROSUMGAME IS JUST LIKE HUAC!1!   VOTE FOR MCCAIN!1!


by JJE on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 01:57:22 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: OMG!!1! (none / 0)

get a grip MCBlogger


by zerosumgame on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 12:13:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: About 95% of the folks (2.00 / 1)

So then it might be fair to say that whenever we saw people talking about how awful some of the people on those sites were, it coulda been these PUMAs.


If you're being chased by an angry bull and then you notice you're also being chased by a swarm of bees, it doesn't really change things. Just keep on running.
by vcalzone on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 10:18:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hatred is the lifeblood of the (1.37 / 8)

The notion that you are a complete ar*se and trying to smear people is also...

Never mind.

Yeah, I remember you Geek.  You have no principles except shilling for your candidate, and that is truely scary.  


I have yet to see what [Obama] has done to take the highest office in the land. He is no Martin Luther King. --Helen Thomas
by ghost 2 on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 08:54:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hatred is the lifeblood of the (1.50 / 4)

Entirely true.  Principles matter; so do facts and reality.  Geekesque has shown contempt for all these things throughout the primaries.


by daria g on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 09:11:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]

If I had anything to do with (2.00 / 5)

you leaving Daily Kos, that site owes me.


by Geekesque on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 09:57:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: If I had anything to do with (2.00 / 4)

If you did, it is I who owe you.


by daria g on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 10:00:11 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Go back to No Quarter, little (2.00 / 3)

Puma kitty.


by Geekesque on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 09:48:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Go back to No Quarter, little (1.60 / 5)

Yes, I love PUMA's.  They are free in spirit, and independent in nature.  


I have yet to see what [Obama] has done to take the highest office in the land. He is no Martin Luther King. --Helen Thomas
by ghost 2 on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 10:48:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hatred is the lifeblood of the (1.57 / 7)

Actually, the purpose is to not support Barack Obama.  He lacks commitment to progressive values and will not stand up for them.  We have seen this over and over again, especially in the past two weeks.  

You can call PUMA voters what you like. It doesn't mean anything.


by daria g on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 09:25:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Which is why you all lick (1.62 / 8)

McCain's boots.


by Geekesque on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 09:58:00 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hatred is the lifeblood of the (2.00 / 2)

What was Clinton's position on FISA again?

Oh yeah, that's right... hypocrites.


by IsaccBurn on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 01:08:00 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: McCain pulls ads from PUMA sites, citing right (2.00 / 4)

Given the comments on ALL of those sites, they are going to have to pull all of the ads.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 06:02:08 PM EST

Re: McCain pulls ads from PUMA sites, citing right (1.80 / 5)

Then, maybe then will Jerome finally denounce Larry Johnson and Susan Hu?

Does anyone know a practical or pragmatic reason for this?


by DemsLandslide2008 on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 06:04:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Talkleft and other sites still have NQ (2.00 / 1)

on their blogrolls.

But they're HUGE supporters of Obama.


by Geekesque on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 06:05:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Talkleft and other sites still have NQ (2.00 / 0)

Really, I guess what it is was I got "warned" once for bashing the PUMA movement when it started as well as Larry Johnson.

Look, are we the only target for this group, and by target I mean major political blog, not youtube or worldpress.

Because it seems they come here to troll knowing there are no reprocussions.

Are there any GOP blogs that would allow me to do the same there?
If so tell me because that sounds like a party to me.


by DemsLandslide2008 on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 06:08:45 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Talkleft and other sites still have NQ (1.83 / 6)

Indeed.  There is no legitimate reason to have No Quarter on anyone's blogroll.  


by Adam B on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 06:08:47 PM EST
[ Parent ]

We should have a "drop NQ from (2.00 / 5)

your blogrolls day."  Blogs believe so much in accountability for other people. .  .


by Geekesque on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 06:10:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]

That would be great publicity (2.00 / 3)

I'll email Susan, she'll call CNN. Thank you!


by catfish2 on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 09:55:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Maybe they can have Andy Martin (2.00 / 2)

and Larry Sinclair on.  They can have a best of "lying lunatics who have Obama Derangement Syndrome" panel.


by Geekesque on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 10:33:15 PM EST
[ Parent ]

You could go on, call everybody KKK (1.00 / 2)

grandwizards, racists, etc. Let's book an appearance!


by catfish2 on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 10:48:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Johnson's own blog condemns him. (2.00 / 2)

And it condemns anyone who defends him.

He's a dog, and you have fleas.


by Geekesque on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 10:53:21 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Next I'm a cockroach (1.33 / 3)

nice hate speech Geek. Making somebody subhuman. You're becoming what you deplore.

And you just admitted Larry Johnson condemns Larry Sinclair. Which is it? Larry Johnson is a racist, or realist?


by catfish2 on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 10:59:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]

No the point is that Johnson's own (2.00 / 3)

words reveal him to be the racist reptile he is.

I hold rightwing bigots in utter contempt.  Especially when they're also pathological liars and thugs like Death Squad Larry, a Reagan operative in Central America.


by Geekesque on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 11:02:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Reptile, cockroach, dog, beast (none / 0)

You are surrounded by subhumans. How ever do you cope?


by catfish2 on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 11:05:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Reptile, cockroach, dog, beast (2.00 / 1)

You're 100% correct.  Belittling and attempting to minimize your opponents using language is bad form.  Off-topic, when can we expect your next groundbreaking diary telling us all about how horrible a candidate Barky/BamBam is?


And so, may evil beware and may good dress warmly and eat lots of fresh vegetables.
by thatpurplestuff on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 11:56:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Talkleft and other sites still have NQ (2.00 / 1)

Check out this NQ comment:

Could it be that the AA's will now decide which White Workers are allowed to work. Obama would be so bad for this country. He makes McCain look like choir boy.

And there's a lot more like that there.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 10:49:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]

The operative word here (none / 0)

is Republicans.


overthrow the government~participate
by missliberties on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 11:56:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: McCain pulls ads from PUMA sites, citing right (1.66 / 3)

When Jerome comes clean, we can go ice skating.  I promise to pay for the skate rental, and not throw snowballs.

(Note: many posts read better if you add "in hell" to each sentence.)


by username on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 06:44:47 PM EST
[ Parent ]

It's the same five whackjobs reading (1.80 / 5)

each site.  Let them waste their money.


by Geekesque on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 06:04:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Rec'd (2.00 / 1)

For helping expose PUMA crap.  Sunlight is the best disenfectant.


by NewOaklandDem on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 06:03:20 PM EST

Too funny (1.80 / 5)

Haha nice!  Grlpatriot and the rest of the "Liberals for McCain" must be fuming from this obvious censorship!  ARGH!!WEDF#@


And so, may evil beware and may good dress warmly and eat lots of fresh vegetables.
by thatpurplestuff on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 06:06:28 PM EST

Obama needs to court the people (2.00 / 4)

who compare him to Hitler.  Why doesn't he want their votes????


by Geekesque on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 06:08:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama needs to court the people (none / 0)

Nice, but this may be too subtle for some here...


by username on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 06:46:15 PM EST
[ Parent ]

You compare us to the KKK (1.00 / 4)

how are you different? I never compared him to Hitler.


by catfish2 on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 06:53:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]

When you say (1.83 / 6)

compare 'us' to KKK, you are including yourself in which group?  The wacky His44 group or the Flowbee's House of Hate group?

I've always assumed you were normal.  Was I wrong?


No Way, No How, No McCain!
by GFORD on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 07:14:11 PM EST
[ Parent ]

PUMAs had their chance (1.66 / 6)

to be reasonable. There comes a point when you quit engaging the crazy people on the street and have them committed to a place where they can't scare the kids.


by Poor Yorick on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 07:27:33 PM EST
[ Parent ]

1st Ammendment ain't your thang? (1.16 / 6)

Obama scrunity will be a felony soon.


by catfish2 on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 07:55:08 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Not really even close (2.00 / 1)

to addressing my point about the mental state of PUMAs.

I'm scrutinizing Obama more than ever in light of his perceived shift to the center. But I don't indulge in innuendo and smears to make my argument.

PUMAs are pathetic, low-information, highly emotional identity voters acting like children who didn't get their way. They can all get bent. I don't want them anywhere near me.


by Poor Yorick on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 08:00:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: 1st Ammendment ain't your thang? (2.00 / 1)

Scrutiny != Libel


If you're being chased by an angry bull and then you notice you're also being chased by a swarm of bees, it doesn't really change things. Just keep on running.
by vcalzone on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 10:22:33 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: PUMAs had their chance (1.00 / 2)

As long as we have a First Amendment, there will NOT come a point in this country when you have people committed for disagreeing with you over politics.  That's just unAmerican.


by daria g on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 09:14:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]

There's a difference (none / 0)

between disagreeing over politics and disagreeing over people. This isn't a disagreement over politics unless, of course, you (as you've projected this onto yourself) agree with the politics of the GOP or John McCain specifically, in which case, you need to be reminded that MyDD (and by extension its members) is not constitutionally bound to observe free speech...its mission is to get Democrats elected.


by Poor Yorick on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 07:21:50 AM EST
[ Parent ]

When PUMAs Comes around (2.00 / 0)

We should post this (I not so good at embed):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gGCmlpF8 gQ


by NewOaklandDem on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 06:16:48 PM EST

Re: When PUMAs Comes around (2.00 / 1)

remove:
(param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param)<br> and
allowfullscreen="true"

Something changed on youtube today, and mydd is not compatible yet.


by DemsLandslide2008 on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 06:24:11 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: McCain pulls ads from PUMA sites, citing right (2.00 / 1)

"Yes, he's a gay African communist Muslim Nazi."

and a scary wimp with no testicular fortitude


McCain just lied again
by wrb on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 06:47:27 PM EST

Crickets? (2.00 / 1)

How about some comment from members who aren't too ashamed to use the same username at both sites?  Let's hear from KnowVox, Coyote Creek, Anna Belle, campskunk, FlaDem (I think), and/or NoBama.  Others?


by username on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 06:49:13 PM EST

Impersonators in the comments said racist (1.00 / 2)

things, something we noticed a while back. For example, somebody would call themselves Uppity Woman2 or something, then call Obama a savage, etc.


by catfish2 on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 06:52:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Impersonators in the comments said racist (2.00 / 2)

Well, if these are all impersonators, perhaps the wronged parties could comment here defending themselves before posting further.  I think it's more racists and crazy haters than impersonators, but...


by username on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 07:38:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]

OK McCarthy. Start a new HUAC. (1.00 / 2)

We got your number, we're onto your game.


by catfish2 on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 09:32:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: OK McCarthy. Start a new HUAC. (2.00 / 3)

Whaaa...?

Me: Alias X posts on MyDD, and calls him or herself X on apparent hate site Y.  Clarification or comment?

You: OMG MCCARTHY WITCH HUNT!


by username on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 10:05:02 PM EST
[ Parent ]

That post is awesome (2.00 / 3)

in its lack of self awareness.  A bunch of old white people defending the honor of a white woman wronged by a black woman fantasizing that they will be lynched.  Irony is truly dead.


by JJE on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 01:51:27 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Crickets? (1.00 / 7)

Where's you evidence that any of the people you've slandered are actually members of Stop-Obama.com and SavagePolitics.com?


by Xov Wonk on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 07:48:45 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Crickets? (2.00 / 2)

Wow....  you actually posted a comment...?

I thought drive-by troll-ratings for no reason were more your style.


McCain/Palin... even scarier than Bush/Cheney... and that's saying something!
by JenKinFLA on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 09:32:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Crickets? (none / 0)

Close -- he does "comment."  He just doesn't do "content."


by username on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 10:05:52 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: McCain pulls ads from PUMA sites, (2.00 / 2)

Hey man, they're just righting the Democratic Party.  I mean, their racist screeds scare even the Republicans, but it's all for a greater good, man.


by rfahey22 on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 07:06:50 PM EST

Troll Alert (1.80 / 5)

Xov Wonk


by NewOaklandDem on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 07:13:26 PM EST

Re: Troll Alert (2.00 / 4)

Yes, the reflexive property of trolls.  Xov Wonk = Know Vox.


by rfahey22 on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 07:21:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Troll Alert (2.00 / 5)

Good catch!  That dude (and one ill-advised comment on my part) cost me TU.


by username on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 07:44:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]

ROTFLMAO! (1.90 / 10)

The irony here is killing me:

These sites are too anti-Democratic for John McCain's taste.

I guess he realizes that putting money into them, is a, well... you know...


by spunkmeyer on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 07:24:41 PM EST

Uprated... (1.80 / 5)

...to counter completely unjustified TR.

Remove it, Xov Wonk.


Join the Matthew 25 Network and help Democrats win the next generation of evangelicals.
by mistersite on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 08:19:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Good for McCain (1.71 / 7)

It is good to know he has more class than the racist PUMA's who claim to be Democrats.  


Consider that everything which happens, happens justly, and if thou observest carefully, thou wilt find it to be so. -Marcus Aurelius
by Blue Neponset on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 08:05:31 PM EST

Ok, I'll bite (1.33 / 12)

You obviously haven't been a regular reader of The Confluence or you would know that we have two hard and fast rules: no character assassination and no rumormongering without evidence.  

Affirmative Action candidate?  Uh, yeah, especially after the RBC hearing.  I have written more than one post on this especially as it pertains to gender and how men always seem to get all the breaks while the bar is raised for women.  

I've never had an islamophobic day in my life.  I've worked with and for muslims and know them to be decent people who just want to mind their own business. The word I used is "jihad" which was very apropos when the Obamaphiles at DKos were rampaging through the diaries and putting users to the sword, er, relentless trollrating if there was even a hint of resistance to the Obama campaign.  It was all orchestrated in order to get rid of any strong voices on the biggest blog in the political universe who was not for Obama.  

And you know what?  I haven't regretted a minute of it.  I can write what I please whenever I please and people actually read my stuff.  I've been linked by CNN, Salon, the NYTimes and I've been mentioned in Vanity Fair.  I was delighted to find that Hillary's campaign valued my blog and the work of the other Conflucians and I can say that I am proud of our standards.  

And I am very happy to see that I was completely right about your candidate.  He is a facade put up by the old Democratic establishment, propelled by brilliant marketing to young and pretentious suckers and now he is tacking to the right, just as I predicted and pissing his supporters off.  
With 2 months left to the convention,
A former opponent who only suspended her campaign and hasnt released her delegates,
And  
18 million infuriated Democrats.

We applaud John McCain for removing his ads from sites that engage in character assassination.  We don't plan to vote for him but it was the right thing to do.  

And in case you didn't notice, we don't accept ads or donations, although we have had plenty of offers.  Free speech needs to remain free.


by goldberry on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 08:19:21 PM EST

Re: Check out the 11%'er (1.66 / 12)

18 million infuriated Democrats?  You are talking crazy talk.  Go back to your racist site pal.


Consider that everything which happens, happens justly, and if thou observest carefully, thou wilt find it to be so. -Marcus Aurelius
by Blue Neponset on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 08:25:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Check out the 11%'er (1.10 / 10)

The Confluence is NOT a racist website. TR'd for lies.


by Xov Wonk on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 09:05:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Goldberry is a racist old woman, (1.38 / 13)

not a racist old man.


by Geekesque on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 09:56:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]

You are whack and (1.20 / 5)

dishonest. You really don't know what you are talking about. This behavior right here is why you cannot get our support.  


by grlpatriot on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 10:58:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]

holy crap. (1.53 / 13)

Aren't you the person the diarist was talking about upthread?
yup. it's you. you got banned from Daily Kos because of your two racists rants. One about how you were making jokes about the KKK, the other bashing muslims.

Dude. You're just flat out hard core racist man. I read those diaries. Holy crap man, WTF????????????


I support our nominee President Barack Obama - and the Admins can't stand me, so I can't rec or rate. This is very mean if you were to ask me.
by TheFullBerry on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 09:02:08 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Ok, I'll bite (2.00 / 6)

And yet your site linked to holocaust denier, anti-semite, Neo-Nazi, and originator of the Muslim smear, Andy Martin's "big announcement" when he went after Obama, now didn't you?  

You've linked to directly to Steve Sailer, and to other anti-Obama people using him as a reference, in spite of the fact that he's a very well known Neo-Nazi who when he's not writing anti-Obama diatribes runs the 'Human Biodiversity Insitute', a (I shit you not) human eugenics think tank.  He also writes for VDARE, a group labeled as a hate group/White supremacist group by the ADL and SPLC.

These are your sources, these are the sources of your friends in the 'anti-Obama movement', these are the sources for much of the information you all have attacked Obama with.  And they're straight up, honest to god, real live Nazis.  

You want to try and defend that?  I'd love to hear some justification for it.


by Whash on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 09:15:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Ok, I'll bite (1.33 / 6)

I don't know what the f^&* you're talking about.
As for racism, you ought to watch how you throw that word around or soon it will become meaningless.  
You don't know me and your definition of racist has been twisted to be used as a cudgel against people who don't like Obama.  
Frankly, I don't care what you call me.  Nothing you say has any effect on me, my thoughts or my voting pattern.  I can't be bullied or shamed into supporting Obama.  
You need to get a grip because the racism thing is going to bite you in the ass pretty soon.  Decent people who stood up for civil rights and equality all their lives aren't going to put up with that crap.  You've insulted their characters.  
by goldberry on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 09:54:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]

You don't get to use racist language (1.55 / 9)

and then act all offended when people call you a fucking racist, you fucking racist.

Go cuddle up next to Don Imus.  Maybe he'll believe your fairy tale.


by Geekesque on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 09:55:33 PM EST
[ Parent ]

is that the best you can do? (1.33 / 6)

You can't think of ANYTHING else?  Are you so uncreative that you have to fall back on this racism thing over and over again?  
Oh, old racist woman.  Yeah, like we haven't heard that before.  Call me the vilest names on the planet.  There is nothing you can possibly say that would make me vote for your lightweight, illegitimate candidate.  Nothing.  But keep it up, you are helping drive away many other potential voters of his.
What have you accomplished?  Did you get your rocks off by pounding 'racist' on the keyboard?  Did that make you feel better, you wretched little collection of pixels on a screen who probably hasn't been laid in a decade.  

by goldberry on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 10:39:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Referring to the first African American (1.85 / 7)

nominee of either major party as "The Affirmative Action Candidate" is inflammatory racism akin to what David Duke would say.

You're so drunk on your hatred of the man you feel justified in spewing it.

You and Larry Johnson and Susan Hu and the entire parade of horribles.


by Geekesque on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 10:58:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Ok, I'll bite (1.83 / 6)

You're Goldberry from Dailykos, right?  And you run The Confluence?  If you don't know what I'm talking about, you should go check your own site and your own old posts.  You linked to these guys yourself.  Now maybe you did it unwittingly or something, but the fact remains that you and people writing at your site used these two guys and others like them as sources, as did at least some of the bigger sites I'm familiar with on your blogroll like NoQuarter and Alegre's new place.  

The guys in question (and their sites) are straight up Nazis.  I don't mean they act un-PC, or they said something offensive about Obama, or anything like that.  This isn't the mindless screaming of "that's racist!" that some Obama supporters have engaged in on matters that were clearly not actually racist.  I mean these guys and their websites are actual swastika waving, eugenics believing, race war starting Neo-Nazis.

Let me be clear, I don't know you, and I don't paritcularly know whether you're a racist.  That's not what I said.  I just said you were linking to these guys, using their work as sources for posts, and the like.  Now maybe you just didn't notice their posts about eugenics/Black IQ's/etc. before and after their anti-Obama posts.  I know that's what Universal here claimed after she/he (whatever) linked to Vdare in several diaries and was called on it.  But even if that's the case, the fact remains that much of the criticism and smears you now cling to originated with those folks.


by Whash on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 10:19:13 PM EST
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Re: Ok, I'll bite (1.40 / 5)

turdberry is sad racist hack who linked to a Neo Nazi propaganda website countless times.

C'mon! Give me a break!

Dude runs a blog and is an active blogger how could he/she not know that these sites were places where Hitler worshippers met.

It's all in the Google cache and I have no idea why this person would even think of jumping in this diary with the kind of track record he/she has.

You can write the most elegant and verbose diary but your past behavior doesn't lie.

I've never called anybody a racist on this blog ( check out my comments if you like) but The Confluence and all the hate they stand for are pathetic. You're a racist, you just don't know it yet.


Mooseburgers? Careful Sarah. Moose bite back!
by spacemanspiff on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 10:37:43 PM EST
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Re: Ok, I'll bite (1.66 / 6)

Cite a post where I have ever linked to the people you refer to.  
BTW, when we see bad behavior, we delete it and send the commenter to the spam filter.  I myself have deleted REAL racist remarks.  But some of us do have day jobs behind firewalls where our access to our own blogs are restricted.  
Peridically, we edit our blogroll and if there are problem blogs, we remove them.  But as far as I know, none of my bloggers has linked to any of the people you are referring to.  It's not our thing.
by goldberry on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 10:43:02 PM EST
[ Parent ]

No Quarter is on your blogroll. (1.75 / 4)

If you objected to racism, you'd remove it from your blogroll.


by Geekesque on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 10:56:58 PM EST
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Re: Ok, I'll bite (2.00 / 2)

I imagine any smart business would block access to hate-filled sites like that. It makes sense.


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 11:02:08 PM EST
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Re: Ok, I'll bite (2.00 / 5)

Wow... you've been mentioned in Vanity Fair...?  Gee, so has Absolut Vodka...!  You must be just THAT popular...!

And, the mere fact that you point it out proves one thing that I have long suspected about many of the more verbose of the supporters on some of these sites....  It was never about a candidate... It was all about you.


McCain/Palin... even scarier than Bush/Cheney... and that's saying something!
by JenKinFLA on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 09:46:45 PM EST
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"Some of my best friends are black (1.55 / 9)

people."

You use blatantly Islamaphobic and racist language = you're a racist piece of shit.

Affirmative Action candidate is BLATANT racism.  It's not even code.  And you're not even coy about your bigotry, you delusional whackadoodle piece of rat shit.

18 Million infuriated Democrats?  Okay, Crackberry.


by Geekesque on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 09:54:34 PM EST
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Re: "Some of my best friends are black (1.42 / 7)

I can tell by your comment that you don't know any muslims.  They are not my close personal acquaintances.  They are my colleagues.  I work with them.  I have worked FOR them.  I see them in the mall, in the grocery store, in my neighborhood.  I have nothing to fear from these people and it pisses me off to no end that your candidate would think that an association with these people would be considered a smear.  

You've really gone off the deep end but I'm not really surprised considering that it's YOU.

When Obama got extra points from the RBC to put him out of reach, he was the beneficiary of something that looks amazingly like an affirmative action plan, whether it applies to race, gender, ethnicity, natiioal origin, sexual orientation.  I didn't invent this reality.  It was engineered by the party itself.  I am merely warning the reader that the Republicans are going to have a field day with it.

What are you going to do?  Chase people through the universe and insult them one by one because they point out the obvious?

Why don't you go find some real racists to play with.


by goldberry on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 10:04:38 PM EST
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Did you show your Muslim friends (1.66 / 6)

the bigoted diary that got you banned from Daily Kos?

And, you are using the RBC as an excuse to engage in BLATANT racist rhetoric.  No one here is stupid enough to believe that excuse.  Not even you.

You have a fucking blog, and you imagine yourself as the head of an 18 million person movement.  Check yourself into an institution.

In the mean time, you and your motley crew of racists, sociopathic narcissists, Republicans, and the mentally ill can go find a road and rot by it.


by Geekesque on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 10:24:48 PM EST
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Re: Did you show your Muslim friends (1.20 / 5)

Are you using the accusation of racism to excuse the shenanigans of the RBC?


by FireLight on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 01:14:04 AM EST
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Re: Did you show your Muslim friends (2.00 / 4)

No, he's obviously saying that whatever disagreement you had with the RBC decision is no justification for engaging in blatant racist rhetoric.

Of course, justifying the RBC's decision (which is hardly a great feat) is an entirely different discussion altogether.


by IsaccBurn on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 01:33:26 AM EST
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stinking pathetic. (1.50 / 2)

You have the gall to pull out the "I have Muslim Friends" card after you wrote a racist screed against Muslims full of hate, scorn,   and stereotypes? It got you banned from Daily Kos it was so over the top filled with racist hatred.

You are a sick old woman like Harriet Christianson. Sad, pathetic, and disgusting to the core. LIke I said, I read your two diaries. They sickened me. They sickened the entire site. It's why you were banned for a lifetime.

To come here, and foul up  this blog, with your hatred and foulness, is beyond the pale. You should be ashamed. But racist bigots never are. They just keep spreading more bile and hatred e everywhere they go.

Get out of here. Stay in your own cesspool of hatred and bile. Don't pollute this site with your disgusting racist views that have no place in the Democratic Party. You shame HIllary. You shame the party. Your actions are despicable.


I support our nominee President Barack Obama - and the Admins can't stand me, so I can't rec or rate. This is very mean if you were to ask me.
by TheFullBerry on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 10:27:28 AM EST
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Re: Ok, I'll bite (2.00 / 3)

"18 million infuriated Democrats."

LOL, how many unique visitors do you get each day? Seriously.


by IsaccBurn on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 01:11:42 AM EST
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Re: Ok, I'll bite (2.00 / 4)

"no character assassination and no rumormongering without evidence."

That's a cute rule, too bad a quick scan of your site reveals that what you consider "evidence" is rather loosely defined...


by IsaccBurn on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 01:13:48 AM EST
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This is bad, not good. (2.00 / 2)

How do you recommend your virulently racist supporters get together on your behalf without getting crucified? How do you point them in the right direction?

You renounce sites most people have never heard of. It's like walking into a room full of middle school boys and telling them that because pornography is wrong they shouldn't go to www.lotsofpornographyeverywhere.com (my apologies if that turns out to be a real address).

Now McCain gets the bump to his mavericky status (Oh look! He denounced racism!) and he gets national airing of the hatesites where his more rotten supporters can congregate.


M. It's like W, but flipflopped.
by warmwaterpenguin on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 08:20:34 PM EST

Re: This is bad, not good. (2.00 / 2)

No one is going to be swayed by those racist PUMA sites.  They are pathetic.  I think I have to give McCain the benefit of the doubt on this one and accept the idea that he did it because it was the right thing to do.  


Consider that everything which happens, happens justly, and if thou observest carefully, thou wilt find it to be so. -Marcus Aurelius
by Blue Neponset on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 08:27:03 PM EST
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Hmm (2.00 / 1)

Maybe it was just the low clickthrough.  


by activatedbybush on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 09:29:23 PM EST

Wrong and (1.33 / 3)

dishonest, but I see you are playing to your audience. You take a few fringe sites with off color comments and paint the entire coalition as racist haters. Not true. Nonsupport for Obama does not equate racism and hate.


by grlpatriot on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 10:52:51 PM EST

McCain's boots seem a little (2.00 / 1)

scuffed up.  Go polish them.


by Geekesque on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 10:54:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: McCain's boots seem a little (1.00 / 2)

OOOoooo, good one. How old are you? 14.


by grlpatriot on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 11:02:50 PM EST
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Re: McCain's boots seem a little (2.00 / 1)

He's not the one voting against his interests over some racist internet conspiracy theories...


by IsaccBurn on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 01:09:40 AM EST
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Re: McCain's boots seem a little (none / 0)

I'm voting in the interesting of preserving democracy within the Democratic Party. Conspiracy theories about gop PUMA racist haters are the only thing I see here.


by grlpatriot on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 11:03:47 AM EST
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Re: McCain's boots seem a little (none / 0)

If the shoe fits.


I have that readiness.
by Jess81 on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 06:41:25 AM EST
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Re: Wrong and (2.00 / 1)

Your track record on truth is not strong. Are you ready to give me examples of sexism by Obama? I have politely asked you to provide this at least twice already.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 10:55:18 PM EST
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Re: Wrong and (2.00 / 1)

Lose the tone. Already did, check your comments for replies.


by grlpatriot on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 11:00:53 PM EST
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Re: Wrong and (2.00 / 1)

Yes, but congregating at racist, hater web sites does equate to racism and hate.


by IsaccBurn on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 01:09:09 AM EST
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Re: Wrong and (none / 0)

First, they are not. Second, with that logic, then I DKos and MyDD congregates are also racist, haters as well.


by grlpatriot on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 11:00:38 AM EST
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Re: First and last (none / 0)

When a candidate has basically no record of accomplishment, has never held a full time job, has published two books which are now fodder for the RNC to use the lies in it, stands for no Democratic value that I know of - then yes, he is the affirmation action candidate.

Some posters here have eyes but cannot see, ears but cannot hear(or comprehend). The racist meme does not fit the persons you are trying to smear. But, the term just flows fluidly, easily doesn't it? You are a race baiter Geek - it does not work and it will not get him elected. He simply is not qualified. My last post at the orange place at the end of January said - this will set back race relations - I said it was not a cult(BO fans) but a cultural difference. What I really meant was a lack of culture. The term elilist should never be used for a supporter of BO or BO himself - ever. It is a misnomer. The correct use of  elilist is the best - as you can ascertain, from his resume, he is running on a vapor thin resume; hence he is a fraudulent candidate and the first and, I think from what is happening now and will continue, the last affirmation action candidate we will ever have. He will not be elected. Eight years of the phoney Bush made people totally aware of fraudulent MSM coverage and the corporate greed that foments it.

Do you know any others words other than racist? Good time to start building yourself a bigger world view.    


PUMA/The Denver Group
by Boo Radly on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 12:07:21 PM EST

Re: First and last (none / 0)

"Has never held a full time job"?  Ooh, that's a new one!  So he's one of those shiftless, lazy...  you know, not like us hard-workin' white folks.


by username on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 07:45:04 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Stop lying, you GOP troll. (none / 0)

"Never had a full time job."

Yeah, you're not a racist liar or anything.


by Geekesque on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 11:05:40 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Sigh (none / 0)

The Reagan Democrats are now Clinton Democrats and have come back to the party, but the party leadership is more interested in nursing its wounded pride than in actually cementing its coalition. It would rather moralize than act. And, given the moral equivocation their selected leader has been showing in the last few weeks, it is uncertain they have a moral leg to stand on.

The message of economic justice still resonates with the majority of Democrats, as shown by Hillary's intense support, but that message is not accepted as true. When we talk about it, we're met by screams of "Racist! Racist!"and sneers that we have nowhere else to go. How can Obama's content-free message make contact with the real world? There is nothing to attach his rhetoric to, no central organizing principle. He talks about the "smallness of our politics," so what is it precisely that is to be enlarged? He has always backed away from the hard choice of throwing the power of the state behind the cause of social justice. At every point, Obama backs away from requiring these efforts, while Hillary embraced them. The Stevensonians have forced their preferred candidate on the party on their own terms, paying no mind to where they stand and what they want to accomplish. They may be centrists, but they no longer have a center to hold.

For Clinton Democrats, there is nowhere else to go with Obama because there was never anything there to begin with. There is nowhere else to go with O because there was never anything there to BEGIN with.


PUMA/The Denver Group
by Boo Radly on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 01:06:15 PM EST


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